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Ambiguous clock puzzle?

Suppose you have a clock with an hour hand and a minute hand. Unfortunately, the two hands are indistinguishable! How many moments are there, in the interval from noon to midnight (including noon but excluding midnight), where the time shown by the clock is ambiguous?

Update:

Sid, those are times when the time is definitely NOT ambiguous! Even if the hands are indistinguishable, when they coincide just after the 1, you know for sure it's 01:05:27 3/11. It doesn't matter which hand is which.

Update 2:

Nick S, so what's your answer?

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  • Nick S
    Lv 6
    10 years ago
    Favourite answer

    This problem actually generalizes the when-do-the-hands-overlap question,

    as we'll see below. Let us measure angles clockwise from 12:00,

    so a hand pointing at hour 2 is at 60⁰.

    Then at m minutes after hour h (written h:m), the minute hand is at 6m⁰

    and the hour hand is at (h + m/60)30⁰ = (30h + m/2)⁰.

    An ambiguity will occur if there is another time H:M

    which interchanges hands with h:m. That is,

    6M = 30h + m/2 and 30H + M/2 = 6m; i.e.

    M = 5h + m/12 and m = 5H + M/12.

    Substituting and simplifying,

    M = 5h + m/12 = 5h + (1/12)(5H + M/12) = 5h + (5/12)H + M/144; thus

    (143/144)M = 5h + (5/12)H and hence

    (143/12)M = 60h + 5H.

    Similarly, we obtain

    (143/12)m = 60H + 5h.

    The last two equations are the source of all the ambiguities...except when h=H.

    In that case, the hands overlap, and there is no ambiguity.

    Otherwise, for each h,H ∈ {0,1,2,...,11} with h<H, there is an ambiguity.

    Here's an example. Take h=2 and H=5. Then the equations are

    (143/12)M = 145 and (143/12)m = 310, so

    M = 1740/143 = 12 24/143 and m = 3720/143 = 26 2/143.

    The two ambiguous times are

    5:12 24/143 and 2:26 2/143.

    When h=H, we get (143/12)m = 65h, so m = 60h/11, as usual.

  • Sid
    Lv 6
    10 years ago

    RE: DELETED the earlier response where I mistakenly computed the coincidental phases of a clock....

    YUP I misunderstood the meaning of ambiguous. Here is my attempt to solve what you asking which seems more tricky.

    Now let,

    A = angle made by hour-hand with an imaginary axis-line that runs across 12

    B = angle made by minute-hand with an imaginary axis-line that runs across 12

    Only considering initially time-zone between 12:00 - 1:00 for sake of simplicity, we will try to find the ambiguous time zones.

    A will only have a range of 0 - 30 degrees in this time zone

    B will make an angle of

    B = B' + 30x … (1)

    where,

    B': Runtime angle made between 0 - 30 degrees and 30x is the accumulation of earlier angles covered by the minute hand.

    x: Time slot variable running form 1 to 11

    Now, Ambiguity will occur when the proportion of revolution covered by A and B are same when they represent hour and minute hands OR when they are reversed in their functioning. i.e hour becomes minute hand and vice-versa. In algebraic terms

    A/30 = B/360

    => A = B/12 … (2)

    OR (when clock hand changes role)

    A/360 = B'/30 {we used B' since now minute hand has become hour hand so it will only cover max 30 degrees in its movement}

    Substitute B' from Eq (1), we get,

    A/360 = (B - 30x)/30

    A/360 = B/30 - x

    Substitute A from Eq (2)

    B/12*360 = B/30 - x

    B/4320 = B/30 - x

    x = B/30 - B/4320

    x = 143 B/4320

    =>

    B = 4320 x / 143

    B = 30.209x degrees

    Since 30.209 is in degrees, we can divide the number by 6⁰ to get the minutes past since 6⁰ movement makes 1 minute, hence

    B = 5.035x minutes

    Now by putting the values of x from 1 to 11 we can get first 11 ambiguous time-zones. Some are

    x = 1; minutes_past = 5.035; 12:05:02

    x = 2; minutes_past = 10.07; 12:10:04

    x = 3; minutes_past = 15.105; 12:15:06

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    In a similar fashion we can generalise the formula for A to cover all the designated hour-zones between NOON - MIDNIGHT

    So in all 12 hours are to be covered with each giving 11 ambiguities.

    Hence total ambiguous time-zones are 12 X 11 = 132

  • Anonymous
    10 years ago

    one

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